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Five for Friday

1. Sensational Alex Harvey Band - Delilah
2. Sweet - Love is Like Oxygen
3. T Rex - Dandy in the Underworld
4. David Bowie - Five Years
5. Slade - Everyday
Notes:
1. I saw SAHB as a support to Thin Lizzy - SAHB were better!
2. I always thought Sweet were a very underrated band and their music still stands up well now.
3. I've still got a soft spot for Mark Bolan and his lyrics are amazing!
4. I think David Bowie started the whole thing off didn't he!
5. This track shows that Noddy Holder didn't always have to shout to be heard!
^ Wow. Thanks Sarah. That's the cockles of my heart well and truly warmed.
Most people give Bolan the nod when it comes to being the originator, but as with all things there were lots of disparate influences. Slade claim they were dressing up independently of Marc Bolan. Bowie was being influenced by the cast of Pork (all part of the Warhol scene) when they were in London and probably was a way down the road to Ziggy at around the same time. The Stones weren't averse to a bit of make up, nor - for that matter - was Little Richard. One thing's for sure, Bolan was the first to go on TOTP with glitter on his face, and that seems to be the moment when the movement kicked off in earnest.
Now then I feel compelled to point out that this is not a strictly Glam Zone. Far from it. Opera, C&W, Folk, Classical, Gospel, Blues, Bubblegum, Dubstep... everything is welcome.
Most people give Bolan the nod when it comes to being the originator, but as with all things there were lots of disparate influences. Slade claim they were dressing up independently of Marc Bolan. Bowie was being influenced by the cast of Pork (all part of the Warhol scene) when they were in London and probably was a way down the road to Ziggy at around the same time. The Stones weren't averse to a bit of make up, nor - for that matter - was Little Richard. One thing's for sure, Bolan was the first to go on TOTP with glitter on his face, and that seems to be the moment when the movement kicked off in earnest.
Now then I feel compelled to point out that this is not a strictly Glam Zone. Far from it. Opera, C&W, Folk, Classical, Gospel, Blues, Bubblegum, Dubstep... everything is welcome.

"Waterloo Sunset" (The Kinks, 1960s)
"London Calling" (The Clash, 1970s)
"West End Girls" (Pet Shop Boys, 1980s) or "Electric Avenue" (Eddy Grant, 1980s)
"Parklife" (Blur, 1990s)
"Time for Heroes" (The Libertines, 2000s)
I wanted to use the wonderfully titled "London Beckoned Songs About Money Written by Machines" for this decade, but it was first released too early although I only heard it later, so I will leave the list there.
^ Splendid selections Val and impressively themed. All personal faves too. "Waterloo Sunset" being perhaps the ultimate London song for me. There's a bit of Terry and Julie in all of us.

Apart from "The Kinks", I have seen all the bands perform them live as well.
Seen them all live (except The Kinks)? Very impressive Val.
I've only seen The Clash out of your wonderful selections. I would love to have seen The Kinks. By the time I woke up to their genius the Davies brothers were no longer on speaking terms. There are rumours of a 50th Anniversary reunion though not sure how that would be in reality. Last year I started to explore some of their late 70s albums - there's still plenty to enjoy there.
I've only seen The Clash out of your wonderful selections. I would love to have seen The Kinks. By the time I woke up to their genius the Davies brothers were no longer on speaking terms. There are rumours of a 50th Anniversary reunion though not sure how that would be in reality. Last year I started to explore some of their late 70s albums - there's still plenty to enjoy there.

Same here.
"There are rumours of a 50th Anniversary reunion though not sure how that would be in reality."
See you there, if it happens.


Saw the Kinks in my local arena (RIP Capital Centre), some time after Low Budget came out...80/81?
Those were the days.
So...got a Kindle Fire HDX for Christmas and have become a total fangurl, hardly leaves my side. Long way round of saying - my five latest downloads:
1. Meet me in the morning. Everything but the girl
2. Uncertain smile. The the
3. A spy in the house of love. The db's
4. Clock strikes ten. Cheap trick
5. Atomic dog (extended version). George Clinton
No theme, just vagaries of the brain. ;)

Your blog (very nice, BTW!) reminds me of another of my favorites:
Crying all the way to the chip shop

All Along The Watchtower - Jimi Hendrix
Everybody's Talkin - Nilsson
When Something Is Wrong With My Baby - Charlie Rich
I Want You - Fiona Apple
All songs where I think that the cover version listed is better than the original. THAT version of I Want You linked, with the writer himself playing guitar.
Have a good weekend, all.

You Win Again - Jerry Lee Lewis
The Last of The Teenage Idols - SAHB
Breathless - Jerry Lee Lewis
Destination - Barry Adamsom
^ Brilliant. Thanks Mark.
Are these last week's late? Or this week's early?
A couple of Jerry Lee's. Some good rocking at your place then?
I have just discovered SAHB and am loving what I've discovered so far.
Are these last week's late? Or this week's early?
A couple of Jerry Lee's. Some good rocking at your place then?
I have just discovered SAHB and am loving what I've discovered so far.

Jerry Lee has always been my all-time favourite, but I've been listening to him to the exclusion of everyone else for the past few weeks. One cannot go far wrong with The Killer.
You're new to SAHB? I envy you all the discovery you have ahead of you... their stuff is pretty much uniformly brilliant, in my opinion. An old friend of mine sat me down in the mid-1980s for an introduction to the music of SAHB, as they were a MASSIVE influence on his own band, Killing Joke. I was mesmerized from the start, and have been a huge fan ever since.
SAHB is one of those incredibly rare instances where the visuals help to deepen ones appreciation of their music. I strongly recommend checking out some footage on youtube... they truly had the whole package working in total synch.
^ Thanks for that Mark. I must admit I am already mesmerised.
Your friends with a member of KJ? And SAHB were an influence? Extraordinary. I wouldn't have made the connection. Coincidentally, as you may well know, there's a new triple CD of Killing Joke In Dub which came out a week or so ago. I am blown away by it. Youth is a pretty amazing producer but he's excelled himself here. There's so much of it though but, so far, it's all brilliant if you like their sound. I love it - that first album is one of the all time greats, but I loved the poppier 80s stuff too, and on into the present day with the slightly more metally stuff.
I'm guessing you're all over Jerry Lee at The Star Club. Perhaps the greatest live album ever? Would certainly be in my top ten. Wonderful stuff.
SAHB wise, I've only properly listened to 'Framed" and "Next". Both superb. I'm really looking forward to working through the rest of it.
I'm sorry to hear about the work-centric nature of your life at the moment. I hope that eases up soon and you can get a bit more balance.
Thanks for another brilliant post.
Your friends with a member of KJ? And SAHB were an influence? Extraordinary. I wouldn't have made the connection. Coincidentally, as you may well know, there's a new triple CD of Killing Joke In Dub which came out a week or so ago. I am blown away by it. Youth is a pretty amazing producer but he's excelled himself here. There's so much of it though but, so far, it's all brilliant if you like their sound. I love it - that first album is one of the all time greats, but I loved the poppier 80s stuff too, and on into the present day with the slightly more metally stuff.
I'm guessing you're all over Jerry Lee at The Star Club. Perhaps the greatest live album ever? Would certainly be in my top ten. Wonderful stuff.
SAHB wise, I've only properly listened to 'Framed" and "Next". Both superb. I'm really looking forward to working through the rest of it.
I'm sorry to hear about the work-centric nature of your life at the moment. I hope that eases up soon and you can get a bit more balance.
Thanks for another brilliant post.

Killing Joke? Paul, their drummer and founding member, is an old and dear friend of mine and, happy to say, one of my very favourite people in the world. They all grew up as fans of SAHB... I think their influence on Killing Joke comes through in the tension and, particularly in a live setting, the theatricality and drama.
I do have a copy of the new 'Dub' set, and can only agree with your assessment... it's quite good, and makes for a rewarding listen. I wasn't so keen on their last studio album, but the one prior, 'Absolute Dissent,' has some brilliant moments... particularly the track 'In Excelsis,' which I can never listen to just once! I don't know if you've caught them live since Paul returned to the fold, making it the original lineup, but if you haven't, you need to. They're absolutely incredible live, and would have no problem wiping the floorboards with bands a fraction of their age.
Back to SAHB, though, if I may... both 'Framed' and 'Next' are wonderful, and I can strongly recommend 'The Impossible Dream' and 'Tomorrow Belongs To Me.' Not a duff track on either, really. 'The Hot City Symphony' is an insanely brilliant bit of work!
^ Thanks again Mark. Solid gold. I always enjoying reading your musings and anecdotes.
I have the Bear Family version of Jerry Lee at The Star Club to get those extra tracks.
Inexplicably not only have I not seen Killing Joke since Paul returned, I've never ever seen them in the flesh. When they first emerged, whilst I loved the music, I was more interested in going to clubs than going to anything more than the occasional gig. I missed a lot of good stuff in the early 1980s - still there were compensations.
Your post inspired me to find out when they're playing in London next only to discover that Paul has "acute tendonitis" (or did back in June 2013). Poor bloke. I hope he's feeling better.
Anyway forthcoming gigs in Blackpool (Rebellion - which I should get along to one of these days) and Kettering. I'm already on a KJ mailing list so will keep an eye out for more shows. I need to have seen them once in my life.
I hear ya re: 'The Impossible Dream' and 'Tomorrow Belongs To Me' and will be diving in very soon. Watch this space.
Thanks, as ever, Mark.
I have the Bear Family version of Jerry Lee at The Star Club to get those extra tracks.
Inexplicably not only have I not seen Killing Joke since Paul returned, I've never ever seen them in the flesh. When they first emerged, whilst I loved the music, I was more interested in going to clubs than going to anything more than the occasional gig. I missed a lot of good stuff in the early 1980s - still there were compensations.
Your post inspired me to find out when they're playing in London next only to discover that Paul has "acute tendonitis" (or did back in June 2013). Poor bloke. I hope he's feeling better.
Anyway forthcoming gigs in Blackpool (Rebellion - which I should get along to one of these days) and Kettering. I'm already on a KJ mailing list so will keep an eye out for more shows. I need to have seen them once in my life.
I hear ya re: 'The Impossible Dream' and 'Tomorrow Belongs To Me' and will be diving in very soon. Watch this space.
Thanks, as ever, Mark.

Great choices of music Val, Nigeyb, and every one. Nigeyb, I'll read your read your review of the Kinks biography.
^ Most spooky Greg.
Another coincidence, I am putting together a book/film/music set of choices for my real world book group and I have decided I will probably go with a London theme.
I've provisionally chosen "The Lowlife" by Alexander Baron, "London - The Modern Babylon" directed by Julien Temple, and then was mulling over the most London-centric music and concluded that The Kinks were probably the way to go. That said, I may yet go with Ian Dury and The Blockheads. Any other London musical suggestions?
Another coincidence, I am putting together a book/film/music set of choices for my real world book group and I have decided I will probably go with a London theme.
I've provisionally chosen "The Lowlife" by Alexander Baron, "London - The Modern Babylon" directed by Julien Temple, and then was mulling over the most London-centric music and concluded that The Kinks were probably the way to go. That said, I may yet go with Ian Dury and The Blockheads. Any other London musical suggestions?

All cracking good stuff.
I love Ian Dury and The Blockheads! Got a great double CD.
Also a suggestion, John Barry soundtrack themes.

The Kinks are fine, Dury even more fine, though my own vote'd be cast in the direction of either Max Wall or Bygraves.
^ Thanks Mark. A couple of intriguing choices there neither of which I actually really listened to beyond the odd song.
This is a bit of classic...
Your suggestions also reminded me of another classic London crooner who I can't believe I didn't think of before now. Who do I speak of? Why of course it's Mr Anthony Newley. This clip is well worth three minutes and 21 seconds of your lime...
This is a bit of classic...
Your suggestions also reminded me of another classic London crooner who I can't believe I didn't think of before now. Who do I speak of? Why of course it's Mr Anthony Newley. This clip is well worth three minutes and 21 seconds of your lime...

The Kinks are fine, Dury even more fine, though my own vote'd be cast in the direction of either Ma..."
I like that direction Mark. London is a broad canvas.
Matt Monro is a favourite. His version of For All We Know is the best I've heard. A beautiful 2005 film to see is Mrs. Pafrey at the Claremont, starring Joan Plowright and Rupert Friend, which has the song For All We Know, sung by Rupert Friend. The film is set in London. The film is adapted from Mrs. Palfrey at the Claremont.
Also, In another direction of music, with all the history of London, Amazing Blondel are wonderful. Their album Restoration is a gem.
Other suggestions, Acker Bilk, Joan Armatrading, John Martin, Steeleye Span.
There's the London Reggae scene too.
^ Thanks Greg - plenty of leads to follow up there and many of them new to me. Every day is a voyage of discover in this group. Splendid.
Greg wrote: "London is a broad canvas."
Nail. Head.
Basically all life is there so, to an extent, the city has co-opted every musical genre under the sun.
At the moment I think I'll probably go with Ian Dury because in addition to his amazing lyricism he frequently references London, and London characters.
One of many, many examples - Ian's bus driver's Lord's Prayer..
Our Farnham, who art in Hendon
Harrow be Thy name.
Thy Kingston come; thy Wimbledon,
In Erith as it is in Hendon.
Give us this day our daily Brent
And forgive us our Westminster
As we forgive those who Westminster against us.
And lead us not into Thames Ditton
But deliver us from Yeovil.
For Thine is the Kingston, the Purley and the Crawley,
For Esher and Esher.
Crouch End.
Genius.
And lest we forget, this is the man who bemoaned how, if he'd played his cards right...
I could be the ticket-man at Fulham Broadway station...
I also think he directly referenced London's music hall tradition, as well as looking a bit Dickensian, with a big side order of Max Wall (just like Johnny Rotten). Above all he has humour in spades. One of the quintessential popular music London artists. Probably the best fit for what I'm trying to achieve.
That said, I'm open to any other suggestions.
Off the back of this discussion I ended up watching Anthony Newley's "This Is Your Life' episode on YouTube from the early 1990s. Very emotional. Many of the participants now no longer around.
I've always meant to investigate Newley properly. Bowie always cites him as an early influence. 1967 "David Bowie" album owes a clear debt to Newley’s vaudevillian show tunes - and contains many Bowie tunes for which I've always had a soft spot.
Greg wrote: "London is a broad canvas."
Nail. Head.
Basically all life is there so, to an extent, the city has co-opted every musical genre under the sun.
At the moment I think I'll probably go with Ian Dury because in addition to his amazing lyricism he frequently references London, and London characters.
One of many, many examples - Ian's bus driver's Lord's Prayer..
Our Farnham, who art in Hendon
Harrow be Thy name.
Thy Kingston come; thy Wimbledon,
In Erith as it is in Hendon.
Give us this day our daily Brent
And forgive us our Westminster
As we forgive those who Westminster against us.
And lead us not into Thames Ditton
But deliver us from Yeovil.
For Thine is the Kingston, the Purley and the Crawley,
For Esher and Esher.
Crouch End.
Genius.
And lest we forget, this is the man who bemoaned how, if he'd played his cards right...
I could be the ticket-man at Fulham Broadway station...
I also think he directly referenced London's music hall tradition, as well as looking a bit Dickensian, with a big side order of Max Wall (just like Johnny Rotten). Above all he has humour in spades. One of the quintessential popular music London artists. Probably the best fit for what I'm trying to achieve.
That said, I'm open to any other suggestions.
Off the back of this discussion I ended up watching Anthony Newley's "This Is Your Life' episode on YouTube from the early 1990s. Very emotional. Many of the participants now no longer around.
I've always meant to investigate Newley properly. Bowie always cites him as an early influence. 1967 "David Bowie" album owes a clear debt to Newley’s vaudevillian show tunes - and contains many Bowie tunes for which I've always had a soft spot.

Hell, Ian Dury recorded a cover of Max Wall's brilliant 'England's Glory,' which, yeah, must surely boast THEE quintessential English lyric...
There are jewels in the crown of England's glory
And every jewel shines a thousand ways
Frankie Howerd, Noël Coward and garden gnomes
Frankie Vaughan, Kenneth Horne, Sherlock Holmes
Monty, Biggles and Old King Cole
In the pink or on the dole
Oliver Twist and Long John Silver
Captain Cook and Nelly Dean
Enid Blyton, Gilbert Harding
Malcolm Sargeant, Graham Greene (Graham Greene)
All the jewels in the crown of England's glory
Too numerous to mention, but a few
And every one could tell a different story
And show old England's glory something new
Nice bit of kipper and Jack the Ripper and Upton Park
Gracie, Cilla, Maxy Miller, Petula Clark
Winkles, Woodbines, Walnut Whips
Vera Lynn and Stafford Cripps
Lady Chatterley, Muffin the Mule
Winston Churchill, Robin Hood
Beatrix Potter, Baden-Powell
Beecham's powders, Yorkshire pud (Yorkshire pud)
With Billy Bunter, Jane Austen
Reg Hampton, George Formby
Billy Fury, Little Titch
Uncle Mac, Mr. Pastry and all
Uncle mac, Mr. Patry and all
allright england?
g�wan england
oh england
All the jewels in the crown of England's glory
Too numerous to mention, but a few
And every one could tell a different story
And show old England's glory something new
Somerset Maugham, Top Of The Form with the Boys' Brigade
Mortimer Wheeler, Christine Keeler and the Board of Trade
Henry Cooper, wakey wakey, England's labour
Standard Vanguard, spotted dick, England's workers
England's glory
Thanks Mark. You've sent me right back to that tune. I love it and haven't heard it for eons. I'm pretty sure Ian Dury wrote it, and then Max Wall did a cover of it. Either way it is a fantastic tune and yet another example of some top notch lyrics.

Absolutely, Greg. Linton Kwesi Johnson is, in my own worthless opinion, an absolute giant of Herculean proportion... one of the very best. Interestingly, on a literary note, in 2002 LKJ became the second living poet, and the only black poet, to be published in the Penguin Modern Classics series.

Nigeyb, if you're going with Ian Dury (great choice), and I was going to mention it earlier, I'm not sure how you'd tie it in to London or the Thames, but how could you not include 'Poo-Poo In The Prawn'. I defy you to listen to that and not collapse in laughter.


Hi Tosh, Mark is our NYC correspondent, Miss M is somewhere in the USA, David is reprazentin' Aberdeen in Scotland, Sarah is in the UK, and I am on the south coast of England - a place called Brighton, where I amble past groups of battling Mods and Rockers most days. Greg, as you can see above, is our resident Australian, although there's another Aussie on here called Robert, but we're still waiting for his Friday musical selections.
I met LKJ a couple of years back. A thoroughly pleasant man. Very thoughtful and polite. He was speaking at an event I was working at. He's still got lots of interesting thoughts and is still writing poetry. This is my favourite LKJ moment...
...it absolutely captures the riots of the early 1980s... Brixton, Wood Green, Tottenham, Stoke Newington, Toxteth,..
I remember a friend inviting me to the Wood Green riot. He said he was after a TV and a camera. He was successful too. It seemed to catch the police completely unawares - despite every teenager in the area knowing it was going to happen up to 24 hours earlier.
Back to British Music Hall. Does anyone know a good book on the subject?
The Trial of Elizabeth Cree, or Dan Leno and the Limehouse Golem by Peter Ackroyd - which is an excellent London novel by the way, if a little grisly - has quite a bit on London music hall as a part of the overall narrative. A quick overview for anyone that's interested..
The year is 1880, the setting London's poor and dangerous Limehouse district, home to immigrants and criminals. A series of brutal murders has occurred, and, as Ackroyd leads us down London's dark streets, the sense of time and place becomes overwhelmingly immediate and real. We experience the sights and sounds of the English music halls, smell the smells of London slums, hear the hooves of horses on the cobblestone streets, and attend the trial of Elizabeth Cree, a woman accused of poisoning her husband but who may be the one person who knows the truth about the murders. The wonderfully rhythmic shifting of focus from trial to back alleys, where we come upon George Gissing, author of New Grub Street, and even Karl Marx, gives the story a tremendous depth and resonance beyond its page-turning thriller plot.
I met LKJ a couple of years back. A thoroughly pleasant man. Very thoughtful and polite. He was speaking at an event I was working at. He's still got lots of interesting thoughts and is still writing poetry. This is my favourite LKJ moment...
...it absolutely captures the riots of the early 1980s... Brixton, Wood Green, Tottenham, Stoke Newington, Toxteth,..
I remember a friend inviting me to the Wood Green riot. He said he was after a TV and a camera. He was successful too. It seemed to catch the police completely unawares - despite every teenager in the area knowing it was going to happen up to 24 hours earlier.
Back to British Music Hall. Does anyone know a good book on the subject?
The Trial of Elizabeth Cree, or Dan Leno and the Limehouse Golem by Peter Ackroyd - which is an excellent London novel by the way, if a little grisly - has quite a bit on London music hall as a part of the overall narrative. A quick overview for anyone that's interested..
The year is 1880, the setting London's poor and dangerous Limehouse district, home to immigrants and criminals. A series of brutal murders has occurred, and, as Ackroyd leads us down London's dark streets, the sense of time and place becomes overwhelmingly immediate and real. We experience the sights and sounds of the English music halls, smell the smells of London slums, hear the hooves of horses on the cobblestone streets, and attend the trial of Elizabeth Cree, a woman accused of poisoning her husband but who may be the one person who knows the truth about the murders. The wonderfully rhythmic shifting of focus from trial to back alleys, where we come upon George Gissing, author of New Grub Street, and even Karl Marx, gives the story a tremendous depth and resonance beyond its page-turning thriller plot.

We're quite a cosmopolitan bunch aren't we!

The Rumour's 1978 album FROGS SPROUTS CLOGS AND KRAUTS.
includes great songs - Frozen Years, Emotional Traffic, Tired Of Waiting.
Phil Manzanera solo 1982 album, Primitive Guitars
Pete Townshend and Ronnie Lane 1977 album, Rough Mix
10cc 1975 album The Original Soundtrack.

Phil Manzanera plays all instruments on Primitive Guitars. The track Criolo is fantastic.
Another band from the '80s, Karl Wallinger's band, World Party. Two great albums are 1. - PRIVATE REVOLUTION, inc. gems Making Love (To The World) and Ship Of Fools and All Come True. and I do mean Gems. and 2. - GOODBYE JUMBO with one of my favourite songs, Put The Message In The Box.
All this selection I've listed are English bands.
Thanks Greg. I was very fond of World Party - and indeed The Waterboys, who I saw play a wonderful concert in 2012.
Do you own these albums on vinyl? I only ask because, in my fevered imagination, you live in a remote spot in the middle of the outback, and I imagine it being so hot that vinyl might well warp.
Do you own these albums on vinyl? I only ask because, in my fevered imagination, you live in a remote spot in the middle of the outback, and I imagine it being so hot that vinyl might well warp.

I'm not on the grid, on solar. Living in the bush, I love playing The Pastoral Symphony powered by the sun.
^ Thanks Greg. I'm gratified to learn that my mental image is not too far wide of the mark.
The Pastoral Symphony? Powered by the sun?
What a fantastic detail. You Sir, are living the dream.
The Pastoral Symphony? Powered by the sun?
What a fantastic detail. You Sir, are living the dream.
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I sometimes (well today was the second time ever) put a list on my World Of Joy Tumblr page. Here's today's selection...
Have a wonderful weekend my Hamiltonian chums.