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Linda







i read Nash's 'Volksgrenadier' book, so while
that one is almost too detailed, I did like his
style and can't wait to get to Hell's Gate.

A book with an interesting take on the Global War On Terror, with a juxtaposition of Nazis in Afghanistan, meeting the current NATO troops over there. An inverted "inglorious Basterds" sort of a scenario... please have a look and i would really appreciate it... thanks alot


Sepp Dietrich, a time-traveling Waffen SS General in Afghanistan, 2011. Colonel Kilgore, leading a 鈥淏lack Ops鈥 SOCOM team hunting Ahmed Qassim, a senior British Taliban group-leader, in the snowy forests of Northern Uzbekistan. Natasha, a troubled beautiful Tel-Aviv doctor seeking her redemption in a remote snowed in Uzbek village, bordering the massive Tien Shan Mountains of China. Colonel Wolff, leading renegade NATO German Special Forces, with a mysterious dark plan in the Ferghana valley. Ruthless Uzbek SNB General Rakhmanov and Russian FSB Colonel Lebed locked in conflict with Uzbek Islamic Rebels, as Chechen 鈥淰ostok鈥 Spetsnaz led by Captain Yandribayev, and his "Black Shark" gunships, are called in.
The conflict becomes murkier in the Ferghana valley, and sinister Dark Forces from the past roam this once pristine Walnut Forest. Reinforcements arrive in the form of the American 101st 鈥淪creaming Eagles鈥, CIA Special Forces assisting the CDC, and the elite Russian 鈥淰DV鈥 paratroopers under the bloodthirsty General Yermolev. Read more in this taut Geo-military thriller as the story spirals into unimaginable Inter-dimensional beauty.



I've read "Forgotten Soldier" by Guy Sajer, "One Square Mile of Hell" by John Wukovitz and "Blood Red Snow" by Gunter K. Koschorrek and they are all great books!








had to get to $25 for free shipping for an order on amazon,
so added this to the pile.



Too make a short story long, i ordered Neptune about a month ago along w/a TV cable, well of course amazon took my order, then said, the book won't be ready till the end of January. An earlier publishing date was for Christmas time, but obviously that slipped.


Description:
This book describes the odd coalition between Germany and Finland in World War II, and their joint military operations from 1941 to 1945. This is a topic often missing in English, though in stark contrast to the numerous books on the shorter and less bloody Winter War. That conflict represented a gallant fight of a democratic "David" against a totalitarian "Goliath" that caught the imagination of the world. The story of Finland fighting alongside a "Goliath" of its own has not brought pride to that nation and was a period many Finns would rather forget.
The prologue of this book brings the reader up to speed by briefly examining the difficult history of Finland, from its separation from the Soviet Union in 1917 to its isolation after being bludgeoned in 1939-40. It then examines both Finnish and German motives for forming a coalition against the USSR, and how-as logical as a common enemy would seem-the lack of true planning and preparation would doom the alliance.
This book posits that it was mind-boggling how the highly professional German General Staff allowed itself to accept the militarily unsound and shaky coalition that resulted. The war aims were not discussed or harmonized, there were no campaign plans with tasks and missions spelled out past the initial assault, no effective main effort established, inadequate force levels, and an unsound command structure with various headquarters. Practically every rule in the book was broken. The objective of linking up with the Finns in the Leningrad area was an important factor in Hitler opting for three main drives into the Soviet Union rather than an earlier OKH plan that called for only two.
After describing the operations during and after Barbarossa, this book describes how the Finnish theater became a blind ally for the Germans. Their strongest and best army was trapped both operationally and geographically in central and northern Finland, making virtually no contribution to the war effort. The Germans could not bring to bear enough forces to accomplish their objectives without substantial Finnish assistance, and that was not forthcoming.
The final chapters deal with the Soviet counteroffensive against the Finns in 1944. The Finns lost all their gains and quickly concluded a separate armistice. This left the German forces in Finland to simply vacate the territory, fighting between the Finns and Soviets alike as they tried to return to the main war. Jointly suffering 291,000 casualties, the only consolation was that the coalition had inflicted some 830,000 on the Soviets.

Description:
When Germany's Sixth Army advanced to Stalingrad in 1942, its long-extended flanks were mainly held by its allied armies-the Romanians, Hungarians, and Italians. But as history tells us, these flanks quickly caved in before the massive Soviet counter-offensive which commenced that November, dooming the Germans to their first catastrophe of the war. However, the historical record also makes clear that one allied unit held out to the very end, fighting to stem the tide-the Italian Alpine Corps.
As a result of Mussolini's disastrous alliance with Nazi Germany, by the fall of 1942, 220,000 soldiers of the Italian Eighth Army were deployed on a 270km front along the Don River to protect the left flank of German troops intent on capturing Stalingrad. Sixty thousand of these were alpini, elite Italian mountain troops. When the Don front collapsed under Soviet hammerblows, it was the Alpine Corps that continued to hold out until it was completely isolated, and which then tried to fight its way out through both Russian encirclement and "General Winter," to rejoin the rest of the Axis front. Only one of the three alpine divisions was able to emerge from the Russian encirclement with survivors. In the all-sides battle across the snowy steppe, thousands were killed and wounded, and even more were captured. By the summer of 1946, 10,000 survivors returned to Italy from Russian POW camps.
This tragic story is complex and unsettling, but most of all it is a human story. Mussolini sent thousands of poorly equipped soldiers to a country far from their homeland, on a mission to wage war with an unclear mandate against a people who were not their enemies. Raw courage and endurance blend with human suffering, desperation and altruism in the epic saga of this withdrawal from the Don lines, including the demise of thousands and survival of the few.

AR, both of these look good, I've always had an affinity for the Finns and in college, where you can
find obscure books in the library, read everything available on the Continuation War, though
there wasn't a whole lot at the time.
I find the involvement of the 'little' countries in the war fascinating. One tends to feel sorry for them, but when you read into it, they had their own goals and they weren't altruistic.



AR, looks like an interesting one. Funny to see
the term 'freedom fighter' in the descrip, isn't everyone these days?
I see you've read the 'Blue Division'. A book similar to that was on my library shelf for yrs, but I never got around to reading it. Have to find it again.

I have read; "Hitler's Spanish Legion: The Blue Division in Russia" by Gerald R Kleinfeld. Is was pretty interesting, not much in English available on the market.


KOMET,
I agree with you wholeheartedly. James Holland is a fantastic writer. I just ordered a copy of his book The Battle of Britain. He also wrote a great book on the North African campaign called "Together We Stand"


That looks and sounds very good. Have you read Eric Bergerud's 'Fire In the Sky, ' about the South Pacific air war? It's excellent, and John Terraine's 'The Right of the Line' is very good on the RAF in the war against Germany.







Reviews:
"With power and passion, Robert J. Mrazek tells the story of one of the most calamitous American bombing missions of World War II....Mrazek writes about the ill-fated Stuttgart Raid as though he had gone into the heart of the Reich with the audacious American bomber crews...a great book with 'hold on to your seat' suspense." - Donald L. Miller, author of Masters of the Air: America's Bomber Boys Who Fought the Air War Against Nazi Germany
"Mrazek has uncovered the moment of profound exigency for the bomber crews, when the course and consequence of the air war converged and rendered it in vivid clarity." - Hugh Ambrose, New York Times bestselling author of The Pacific
"[A] work of cinematic sweep and pace." - Richard Frank, author of Downfall and Guadalcanal
"Through superb historical research and powerful narrative writing, the author brings back to life a pivotal, heartbreaking episode." - Tami Biddle, Professor, U.S. Army War College, and author of Rhetoric and Reality in Air Warfare





Description:
In February 1943, German forces surrendered to the Red Army at Stalingrad and the tide of war turned. By May 1945 Soviet soldiers had stormed Berlin and brought down Hitler's regime. Total War follows the fortunes of these fighters as they liberated Russia and the Ukraine from the Nazi invader and fought their way into the heart of the Reich. It reveals the horrors they experienced - the Holocaust, genocide and the mass murder of Soviet POWs - and shows the Red Army, brutalized by war, taking its terrible revenge on the German civilian population. For the first time Russian veterans are candid about the terrible atrocities their own army committed. But they also describe their struggle to raise themselves from the abyss of hatred. Their war against the Nazis - which in large part brought the Second World War in Europe to an end - is a tarnished but deeply moving story of sacrifice and redemption.

does everyone else feel like this after they have finished writing their books?


I wondered if anyone on the group had read this or could suggest other similar titles.
Thanks

I have heard good things about this series of books. I only have the third volume and have not read it yet.



or the trilogy pack;

Another new book just released that covers the perspective of the civilian population during the war but just in Berling is:

Reviews:
"British historian Moorhouse (Killing Hitler) puts a human face on the capital city of a Reich at war. In the summer of 1939, Berliners were optimistic and grateful to their f眉hrer for Germany' s improving economy and political order--above all, the country was at peace. That was to change with the declaration of war on September 1. Efforts to maintain some sense of normality were overshadowed by the benchmarks of total war: blackouts, rationing, and beginning in 1940 the air raids that would leave Berlin in ruins. Foreign forced laborers poured in to work in military factories, as Jews boarded trains, headed for annihilation. A network of informers aided a ubiquitous Gestapo with a veritable epidemic of denunciations as civic relations in the city collapsed. At war' s end Berlin became the Reich' s final battleground as the Red Army paid back four years of atrocities with an orgy of looting and rape. Yet Berliners sustained a chip-on-the鈥搒houlder independence. Despite Berliners' soul-searching and recriminations (barely touched on here), Moorhouse drily relates the irony that, after the devastation, the hope that had dominated prewar Berlin quickly regained the upper hand." - Publishers Weekly
"Election results in the fading days of the Weimar Republic indicate that Berliners were not particularly sympathetic to Hitler or his movement. Yet Berlin endured horrible physical destruction, deprivation, and death. This included intense Allied bombings by day and night, and a siege and eventual ravaging by the Russian army. Moorhouse, who has written extensively on the history of the Third Reich, succeeds in conveying the rhythms and travails of the lives of ordinary Berliners as the assault on their city intensifies. He begins with an almost idyllic scene as huge crowds in Berlin witness the celebration of Hitler鈥檚 birthday in April 1939; at the time, of course, Germany seemed to have achieved itsforeign-policy goals without firing a shot. As the fortunes of Germany and Berlin deteriorate, Moorhouse uses the testimonies of a variety of Berliners to describe some memorable scenes and struggles.This is a hard, unrelenting saga of the effects of total warfare on citizens just hoping to survive." - Booklist

I have hard good things about this series of books. I only have the third volume and have not read it yet.

I've read the series and can say I thought it was very good.
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I thought this was a very good book. Its amazing he wasn't broken.


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In 1943, a small band of inexperienced Australian and British fighter pilots fought an ongoing air battle in defense of north-western Australia, flying against a formidably skilled and proficient opponent. The air raids on Darwin during 1942-43 constituted the only sustained and intensive direct assault on Australian mainland territory in the whole of World War Two and yet, surprisingly, most Australians have no idea that it ever happened. Following the RAAF鈥檚 No 1 Fighter Wing, Darwin Spitfires tells this little-known story, and in so doing, recovers this important aspect of Australian history.

I think it is great when you fine these little known stories. I volunteer as a driver taking older folks to appointments. One fellow I met last month flew Seafires, the Spitfires that were adapted to land on aircraft carriers. He said they were terrible and were really only good at landing on the ground.


I totally agree. I play tennis with a fellow who flew
Spitfires, among other things. He will be 90 next week, 90, able to play tennis, and he has a girlfriend. I just have to hang in there for another 28 years.
I hope someone is recording all these stories. I see the last English WW1 vet to see action died last week at 110. He signed up at age 14, was refused and then tried again successfully at age 15.


this is one of the major problems with this group --
you find too many more fun books you want to read.

my wife works with head trauma patients, which includes stroke patients, which are usually older
folks. knowing my interests and her own, she
always asks the Vets about their adventures. it gets them motivated in their recovery.
so i get to hear the stories from her, or sometimes i go in and meet them, often they've written something down they pass on to me. Just got several pages on a sailor's experiences on the USS Grayson DD-435.

you find too many more fun books you want to read."
I've certainly found this too Carl, and have enjoyed the posts from people who clearly enjoy and/or are knowledgeable on their subjects of interest. Glad I found the group.

Hi Carl, what do you do with these written statements?
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Description:
When World War II began, the U.S. Army Air Corps numbered only 45,000 men and a few thousand aircraft--hardly enough to defend the United States, let alone defeat Germany's Luftwaffe, the world's most formidable air force. Yet by the war's end, the Luftwaffe had been crushed, and the U.S. Army Air Forces, successor to the Air Corps, had delivered the decisive blows. The Men Who Killed the Luftwaffe tells the story of that striking transformation--one of the marvels of modern warfare--while simultaneously thrusting readers into whirling, heart-pounding accounts of aerial combat.
The Allies couldn't defeat Hitler's Third Reich without destroying its industry and taking its territory, but before they could do either, they had to neutralize the Luftwaffe, whose state-of-the-art aircraft and battle-seasoned pilots stood ready to batter any attackers. Great Britain's Royal Air Force was only barely holding the line, and the might of the United States was needed to turn the tide.
Almost from scratch, the United States built an air force of more than two million men. Thanks to the visionary leadership of Henry "Hap" Arnold, Carl "Tooey" Spaatz, Ira Eaker, James Doolittle, and others, the USAAF assembled a well-trained and superbly equipped force unlike any ever fielded. And thanks to the brave Americans who crewed, maintained, and supported the aircraft, the USAAF annihilated the Luftwaffe as it pounded targets deep inside Germany and elsewhere.
A stirring tribute to these men as well as an engaging work of history, The Men Who Killed the Luftwaffe vividly describes World War II in the skies above Europe. At the same time, it captures the personalities of the men who won it, whether on the ground or in the sky.
Reviews:
"Jay Stout turns back the calendar from his perch in a Hornet strike fighter in the 1990s to the flak-studded skies of Europe and the Mediterranean in World War II. Employing alternating micro-macro perspectives, he provides an excellent overview of the U.S. Army Air Force's war against Nazi Germany. The views are comprehensive: from training in the States to combat units overseas, AAF headquarters, and Allied war councils at the highest levels. Both buffs and historians will find something of interest in this well-researched history." - Barrett Tillman, (author of Whirlwind: The Air War against Japan)
"A marvelously written work! Stout, a former fighter pilot himself, presents stirring firsthand accounts of the strategies and doctrines that ultimately won the air war over Europe. As close to a complete account of the USAAF war against Germany as has ever been written. Enthusiastically recommended!" - Col. Walter J. Boyne, USAF (Ret.), (former director of the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum)
"As always, air combat veteran Jay Stout creates a spellbinding and authoritative narrative by asking--and getting answers to--important and illuminating questions no other author on the topic has ever even thought of." - Eric Hammel, (author of The Road to Big Week: The Struggle for Daylight Air Supremacy over Western Europe)
"A colossal undertaking that delivers brilliantly. In a tale that captivates the reader and pulls him into the cockpit, Jay Stout weaves the strategic underpinnings of the air war over Europe together with the words of the men who fought it. Both the historian and pilot will recognize Stout's carefully detailed analysis of the war's men and machines in an account that leaves no stone unturned, no myth unbroken. This work lifts above the fray and is reminiscent of Ambrose's Citizen Soldier." - Michael Franzak, (author of A Nightmare's Prayer: A Marine Harrier Pilot's War in Afghanistan)